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Dingbat Dana Seilhan is now outed as a lying hypocritical STALKER July 10, 2015

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Dingbat Dana Seilhan is now outed as a lying hypocritical STALKER

UPDATE – AUGUST 22, 2015 –

Dana Sielhan got caught and took down her http://www.danaseilhan.com page – WHY?

Dana, you are one stupid bimbo – first you get caught stalking us, leading us to your page that says you do things that you don’t know why you do things. Then you take down that page. lol. – Dana dear, you showed everyone, that you not only do things that you don’t know why you do things, but you showed us all that you are a fucking coward as well. Because that is all that backtracking says  about a person – that you are willing to open your big mouth (or type shit on the internet) but you haven’t got the backbone to stand by what you say. asshole.

now back to my original post:

Well the past 24 hours events have been very interesting. On Dana’s aboutme page she truthfully says she blocked me and Gert on facebook. Because after our spat some time ago she HAD blocked me. Well, because Dana had stalked Gert’s aboutme page, I decided to look up Dana’s facebook page and she had UNBLOCKED ME.

She accuses me and Gert of stalking her – well Gert had an email notification that a “Dana Seilhan” had viewed her aboutme page. Gert goes to her aboutme page and sees Dana’s wakco face as one of those who has viewed her aboutme page. Gert then posted that on my facebook and that’s when I made my own aboutme page. I had not had one before.  – https://about.me/paceruth
AND I did some checking on Dana.

On her page called Dana’s Domain (copyright 2015)- http://www.danaseilhan.com/ – she says: ”…like my about.me page does, and I have no idea why I bothered setting one up. I must have been bored or something.” – Dana, do you always do things that you don’t know why?

Her Dana’s Domain was made THIS YEAR and I’m betting so was her aboutme page. But we have not had ANY contact with Dana for over a year. So WHY is Dana all of a sudden accusing me and Gert of stalking her, but there is clear evidence that Dana herself is now STALKING us?

What ever games you are playing little Dana – you just showed us and everyone else what a sicko you are. go grow up.

So Dana – if you don’t want anything to do with me – and you say you have blocked me on facebook – explain this screenshot taken at 3:40 pm on July 10, 2015.

dana's fb

Dana – you’re a liar.

dishonest people – that’s YOU Dana.

 You know, it’s the internet – and a lot of what you put out there is public. People are looking at your stuff. They’re googling you. I’m sure a lot of people have googled my name and looked at my stuff. It’s the nature of the beast. But when someone specifically makes an aboutme page SOLELY for the purpose of accusing two women of stalking her, then evidence is found that that person is stalking those two women in turn – well – I think you know where I’m going with this. Yep – Dingbat Dana has indeed been outed as a hypocritical liar.

gertmcqueenJuly 10, 2015

Gert here… yep I come home from a wonderful evening of dinner and comedy-magician with my ‘part-time’ husband of 18 years (eat your hearts out, I have my cake and I can eat it too) I have both of two worlds, it works for us, I have my own apartment and his country home, on the weekends.

Anyway, I come home to find Dana’s face on my about.me page! what the fuck! and she’s accusing me of stalking her! get a life broad! Joan Wheeler and Dana ought to ‘hook-up’ they are so joined at the hips!

And get this straight…I and Ruth shall DEFEND ourselves and family, against any and all lies that Joan M Wheeler says, in the past, present and in the future. Doesn’t matter where or when I shall find her words and I SHALL EXPOSE THEM…DEAL WITH IT.

RuthJuly 10, 2015

wonder if she ever lost that weight she was wining about some time ago. lol She has no self esteem, and appears to have many psychological problems. Apparently, she and Joan have the same issues – they must crave attention – because as much as they complain about us – they do things to GET our attention. And contradict themselves and trip themselves up in the process.

RuthJuly 10, 2015

wasn’t she also whining about not being “self-sufficient?” lack of job? – I don’t understand it. There ARE jobs out there – WHY can’t a person find one? Kids at home? so what? There have been millions of women – single moms included – who take overnight jobs in hospitals as nurse’s aides, environmental service aides, patient transport aides. Come home, get the kids off to school, go to bed and sleep, get up, make dinner, snooze during the evening.
I used to wonder about my friend Debbie’s mom – why she was always napping in the evenings when I’d be at Debbie’s house. She had set up a TV room off the kitchen with a couch and chairs. She would snooze on the couch while the 3 kids would watch TV – or be at the kitchen table doing homework. Their father worked until 9pm and then she would go to Millard Fillmore Gates to her 11pm job as a nurses aide.
I guess slinging bedpans is too gross for some people. I’ve done it for 43 years – and you know what? Dr. Christian Barnard, who performed the world’s first heart transplant, worked his way thru medical school AS a male nurse’s aide – and said in his autobiography that he was proud to do so – because it showed him a side of his patients that helped him become a better doctor.
Many nurses work their way thru nursing school while being nurse’s aides. – And there are other careers to choose from if a hospital setting is not for you – I simply can NOT buy that tired old excuse WHY you can’t find a job – just get the fuck off your lazy ass and get one. – If you are tied down with little kids, fine, that’s understandable. But they are not little forever.

RuthJuly 11, 2015

Dana really needs to start with some motivational programs. Dana, go to your local library and check out the DVD audio books of Dr. Wayne Dyer, Anthony Robbins. Also go online and subscribe to them and Gregg Braden via facebook. You don’t have to agree 100% with them – but they have some really good stuff.
Another one – but it’s old, so you might have to do some digging to find it – is John Bradshaw and The Family – this an excellent program on PBS some 25 years ago – google it.
If you have problems then stop fucking whining about them and get to work and fix them. It’s an ongoing process – but you are coming off as a sick twisted puppy with your self-flagellations and spying on us and then turning around and accusing us of exactly what YOU are doing.

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Dingbat Dana Seilhan, delusional buddy of Joan Mary Wheeler – shut the fuck up July 10, 2015

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 Gert found this from Dana Seilhan, delusional buddy of Joan Mary Wheeler on HER aboutme page – some bimbo accusing Gert and me of stalking her – well how did it end up on Gert’s page? Seems as though Dana’s been STALKING Gert! hypocrite. When someone views your page – you are notified. Dana, when you viewed Gert’s page, she found out about it – and WHY are you STALKING/VIEWING Gert’s page?

 LOL – oh my god! so yeah, if you’re going to accuse me of something – I’m gonna go do it. don’t want to make you out to be a liar, ya’ know! So I STALKED on over to Dana’s LinkedIn page – where you place your professional resume – and this nutcase says she’s a Martian anthropologist! Now I like science fiction and fantasy in general and Star Trek in particular, but I can distinguish fantasy from reality!
marvin finger

Dana, Marvin the Martian says FUCK YOU

And Dana has the nerve to say that Gert and I are insane? I am astonished at the stupidity of people. And yes, Dana, I too, am opinionated. Don’t like it? TOUGH. My opinion of you is that you are in dire need of professional counseling.


https://about.me/danaseilhan

 This delusional person says this:

 I seem to be being stalked by adoption activist Joan Wheeler’s insane sisters for some reason. I am not interested in any BS you are trying to sell. You took what you perceived as one bad experience and you are using it to abuse other adoptees that you have never even met. It’s not difficult to figure out who’s in the wrong here, and you keep compounding it too. Why don’t you get the hell off the Internet and go take a very long walk off a very short pier. Thanks in advance.

 Ruth here – first she is supposed to be a writer – well what the hell “I seem to be being stalked.” it should read, “It appears that I am being stalked.” Dana, if you’re going to be a writer, learn some grammar.

Now I had ONE bad experience with Dana over a year ago via facebook. She is a delusional BITCH. She is one of Joan Mary Wheeler’s friends. And most of those “friends” are sick in the head. They take Joan’s side of the story as the golden truth without considering there is a possiblility that Joan could be lying.

My experience with Dana started I believe in conversation on Huffington Post, in which, if memory serves, Dana and I were conversing intelligently – until Dana found out that I was one of Joan’s birth sisters – and then Dana turned into a bitch and called me names. (oh how adult). I call her names here, because yeah, she is a bitch – convicted and condemned me solely on the basis that I am Joan’s birthsister. Fuck her – she is an asshole. Now, I’m not 100% sure that this was how it went down – because it happened way over a year ago – perhaps two, three years ago. This is how much Dana is on my mind for me to be stalking her, that I don’t remember exactly what went down between us. No Dana, you are simply not that important to me – I forgot all about you a long time ago.

I did send her this email tonight: 

Dana, yes, we had a tiff over a year ago – I haven’t thought of you since then. And my, how adult how you are to say to someone to take a long walk off a short pier. Nobody is stalking you.

You take the word of Joan as golden without even considering there are two sides – when on my blog I have posted actual police and court documents that prove that Joan lies about me.

Recently she was caught blasting Joyce Bahr on her facebook, and others asked her to show proof of what she said about Joyce. She would not.

Where is the proof of what she has said about me? Why don’t you try to be fair?

That was the only intent I had in contacting you – then and now – for YOU to be FAIR – but, since you cannot – that shows me the kind of person you truly are. – shove it lady.

As to me abusing adoptees? oh my! When I first started this blog in November 2009, Joan Wheeler had a fit! She joined an adoptee forum called Adult Adoptees Advocating for Change and in February 2010, under Joan’s request – a bunch of those so called “adult” adoptees came over here and left obscene comments. Yeah – Mara Rigge for one – who never met me in person or internet, called me a bitch – there was someone named Myst – and several others that I don’t remember their names. So when it comes to Joan’s Birthsisters vs The Adoptees – The Adoptees fucked with me first – this blog which has a daily average of 20 hits, in one day in February 2010 had about 178 hits – and in two days about 30 obscene comments. Why? Because Joan told them to do it and I’m betting Joan told Dana to write this shit about us now.

my stats   here you go – the stats for February 26, 2010 – 53 adoptees came running and were all over my blog.


oh – here’s another one of Dingbat Dana’s pages:

http://www.danaseilhan.com/

roflmao! She says she set up her aboutme page because she was bored. So when you’re bored Dana, you set up pages to attack people you don’t know? lol. You’re full of shit and you know it – you set that page up solely for the purpose of trashing me and Gert and then you went to Gert’s aboutme page to get our attention. Poor little Dana, needs attention. oh, poor thing. Well bitch – you wanted our attention – and now you got it. You have only yourself to blame. There was NO contact, no nothing between you and us for over a year – until YOU started.

 The rest of Dana’s biography is so, so, – I don’t know – she’s out in left field! WAY BEYOND LEFT FIELD.

Well, I went and started my own about me page at https://about.me/paceruth 

My bio is this: 

Because you don’t know me at all. 

I’m a long time health care worker, (43 years) former professional belly dancer, a rabid Trekkie, and a paranormal investigator. I am a movie buff, and love movies and reading about science fiction, fantasy. My interests are wide and varied, and I am passionate about them. 

my about me page is about ME – I don’t put a whole paragraph falsely accusing and trashing people – because my about me page is about ME, not them.

 Gert here…
I had perhaps one or two replies TO HER after she ATTACKED me on a Huffington thread. YEARS AGO. before that it was her and others, the gang of thugs, friends of Joan Wheeler, attacked me and Ruth BECAUSE we are defending ourselves. WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SAY WHAT WE WANT ABOUT OURSELVES AND OUR FAMILY.
NOW I’ll just have to ADD Dana on my ‘info’ so that the WORLD can know all about HER as well as Joan

 RuthJuly 10, 2015

and since Joan Mary Wheeler wants to be part of our family – then she can just ACCEPT that Gert and I have the RIGHT to discuss our family.

and other people – like Dingbat Dana – are NOT a member of our family – have no right to stick their nose in a family situation.

5. gertmcqueenJuly 10, 2015

Gert here…

my updated about.me page …

Am birthsibling, of real #ForbiddenFamily, that Joan M Wheeler was adopted out of. I have and will share truth of the deeds and lies told/written by angry adoptee, Joan Wheeler, against my family; that is MY RIGHT!

Seems that Dana Seilhan doesn’t like me defending myself against those lies that MY FAMILY MEMBER writes about me and MY family. Dana claims I’ve been stalking her! Outside of a couple of comments on an internet discussion thread, years ago, where I was attack by Dana Seilhan, I have no contact with her and no desire to know her. She doesn’t mean a thing to me!

I’m an adoptive mother.

Besides that…there’s far more to me, overtime I shall incorporate that here.

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS – are you listening Joan Wheeler? Are you listening Brian Maloney? August 29, 2012

Posted by Ruth in Contradictions of Joan Wheeler, Joan Wheeler Speak - how Joan views the world, Joan Wheeler's abuse and harassment of her birth family.
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A five year old girl was beaten to death in Niagara Falls the other day, by a 16 year old punk – I attended a candlelight vigil held for her Tuesday night, August 28. I wrote a poem for Isabella and included it in my report of the vigil in this post: candle light vigil for a little girl held in Cheektowaga, Tuesday night, August 28, 2012

What I want to know is – WHY WEREN’T JOAN WHEELER OR BRIAN MALONEY THERE AT THE VIGIL? After all, Joan is always spouting about the rights of children – WHY WEREN’T YOU AT A VIGIL FOR A 5 YEAR OLD GIRL WHO WAS MURDERED JOAN? – oh, she wasn’t “adopted” so her rights don’t count. You’re always bitching about abused children – and here was an child who was abused to the point of death. Where’s your outrage? – Where is your sense of REVERENCE FOR LIFE? as Dr. Albert Schweitzer said. No, you go and say that people who adopt should all be shot. Always bitching about the rights of Native Americans, you want to change society, blah, blah, blah, but what do you do in your book? Condemn me and mock me for my infertility, my miscarriage and my neighborhood activism. – see I don’t just go on the internet and yak about society’s ills – I WALK MY TALK! I worked with my local councilmen, I started up a block club – I got out there and organized a Street Clean-Up. I started a  petition in the early 90’s for rodent control and worked to get those blue totes that cut down on the rodents. What do YOU do Joan? NOTHING – JUST RUN YOUR RIDICULOUS HYPOCRITICAL MOUTH!

Brian is boasting that he is a Reiki “master” and healer. WHY WEREN’T YOU AT A VIGIL FOR A LITTLE GIRL WHO’S LIFELIGHT WAS TAKEN FROM HER BRIAN? Aren’t you supposed to be some sort of “New Agey” Master? and a healer?  Why didn’t you bring your healing to the vigil? mmmm? Were you busy late Tuesday evening with some sort of healing? Oh no – you were too busy writing another comment trashing me on the internet. You have time for that, but not for a real incident of HEALING! You are a hypocrite – just like your little buddy Joan – you can talk shit, but you can’t heal – now you say you wanted to bring peace to my family – even though we didn’t ask for you – – but your healing ain’t working pal. best you be on your way – cos you ain’t changing me no time soon. And I never will change – I don’t want Joan in my life she is not a legal member of my family – I will continue to expose her lies on this blog – with the court documents and her own handwritten letters that show she is a liar. yak yak yak – that’s all you two pathetic little weasels can do. But when it comes time for action – when the community needs our collective healing – you just sit at your computer keyboards and trashtalk people. what pathetic losers!

Big Bad Russ speaks – (Joan Wheeler sics her boyfriend on us) – too bad we found it a year and a half later – well, better late than never.- repost from Gert’s blog March 13, 2012

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March 13, 2012 Big Bad Russ speaks – (Joan Wheeler sics her boyfriend on us) – too bad we found it a year and a half later – well, better late than never.

reposting from Gert’s blog “Reclaiming the Sippel-Herr Family Honor   – – original post here.

it took us awhile, but we found this gem! Actually Gert found it. Back in the fall of 2010, my blog started receiving some nasty comments from a guy called Russ. He would routinely call me a bitch. I finally labeled his comments as spam so they would automatically go into the spam folder, then be automatically deleted. After a few months, we found out that Russ was Joan’s boyfriend. I had contacted him once via email, asking him to stop leaving obscene comments on my blog, and to not bother answering my email, as I did not wish to have contact with him but he answered me. I don’t remember what he said, but I just ignored him. About a month later he emailed me again. I notified him, via my blog that I do not want him to contact me, and since he contacted me via my private email after I told him not to do, he was now guilty of harassment. I threatened to call the police. We never heard from him again.

This was February 2011. BUT in January 2011, at the funeral home, in the same room that my father lay in his casket, an eyewitness stood behind Russ to await her turn to sign the funeral book. She witnessed the man write a long message at the bottom of a page, turn to another page and sign. She signed after him – and flipped the pages back to read a hate message directed at my father and signed by the names of 4 dead men and one living man, who at the time was in Florida. These 5 men, the brothers of my late mother, who made no bones about not getting along with my father certainly did NOT sign the register. The message was to my father to “rot in hell.”  The eyewitness, signing after Russ, noted his name and described him to us.  Russ did not know our family, the only way he knew to write this disgusting hateful message was at the request of Joan, who wanted to strike back at everyone in fell swoop – the birth father who gave her up for adoption – her birth sisters who would read it and get upset – the brothers of my mother who didn’t stop her adoption – my father’s new family – my stepmother, her daughters and their families, who, along with myself and my husband in my father’s hospital room made the decision that Joan be excluded from the wake and funeral (due to her troublemaking). We did agree to tell Joan to come to pay her respects at 4:30pm, AFTER the family had left – and she came at 4 – her daughter came in as we were leaving,  and she wrote me via facebook that she was with Joan and Russ. They must have been in the car. When someone tells you to come at 4:30 – you come at 4:30 – not 4:00. Catherine also says she didn’t see Russ write it. The eyewitness said that Catherine and her mother Joan were at the casket – with their backs turned away from the book. So of course she didn’t see it. Look, the writing was NOT there when I left at 4pm, the eyewitness and Joan and her boyfriend and daughter were the ONLY ones there between 4pm and 7pm (according to the funeral director) when we returned. The eyewitness also described Joan mouthing off  to the funeral director.

We blogged about all this and after I threatened to call the police on Russ – we never heard from him again. But before all that – in October 2010 – Big Bad Russ started his own blog. “Russ’s World.” Gert found it this morning. this is such a joke – Big Bad Russ only had one entry – a clear attack on us – oh wow – we’re scared. But it shows everyone what a hypocrite he is. I also found out that in December 2010, he joined Badoo – a dating service. Apparently, he clicked on Badoo’s request to access the “contacts” he had in his email. So I got a sent an invitation, seemingly from Russ to join Badoo. I did. Under a disquised name and email. And I read his profile – he’s interested in sailing and sex.  lol – that’s class!

Here is Big Bad Russ’ one and only blog post, followed the comment that I submitted, but which he will not have the guts to approve and publish.

Posted on October 29, 2010 by rus623 at http://rus623.wordpress.com/2010/10/29/hello-world/

I decided to start this blog after reading so many mean-spirited and slanderous blogs.  That, really, is not the way to get your point across.  Say what you want to say but don’t attack, demean, or cast aspersions on anyone.  I want to publicly apologize here if I have done any of these to anyone.  Now to comment specifically on a certain blog here at WordPress.  It is posted by Ruth Sipple Pace.  In it she attacks her youngest sister most vilely, saying she wanted to remove her sister’s teeth with her fist.  This is extremely barbaric.  I would like to think this was not a common way for her to act.  I do however have doubts about that.  The other two sisters, Gert and Kathy, also have disagreements with Joan, but do not sink to quite this level.  They all call Joan a liar.  I think this might be a collective denial of sins past.  So be it.  I can’t say I have any proof of what is true.  Some one is fabricating but who is left for readers and God to figure out.  I tend to believe Joan because I know her.  I only know her sisters through their writing, and I am not expecting to meet any of them soon.

I invite everyone to hit both Joan Wheeler’s blog(Cyberbullies) and Ruth’s(Forbidden Family:Lies) blog if you want to see what is going on.  I do know that Joan doesn’t want any contact with her sisters.  I challenge them to honor that.  Comment all you want on her book. Don’t comment on her.

my comment (which is awaiting moderation):

of course, Russ, you won’t dare to print THIS comment – because I shall tell everyone right here and now how MEAN-SPIRITED you are.

Yes, you first come on my blog and call me a bitch. Not once, but twice. Then you emailed me via my private email. And called me a bitch. When I told NOT to email me again, you did. You claimed you were only “trying to help.” Riiggghhttt. you try to help someone by calling them a bitch.
After you were seen by an eyewitness writing a hate message in the funeral book of my father in January 2011, and I blogged about and threatened to call the police – you acted like the cowardly little cur that you are – that is – you hid your tail and ran away. From me, from my blog, AND from your “relationship” with Joan. Oh, you are such a big man. And not very mean-spirited? HA! – well, thanks for the laugh Russ, even if it’s a over a year later.

And I will comment on her – especially because in her book she says that I have an arrest record – which is completely false and I have provided court documentation that disproves it. Joan is a liar – you are a liar – and you are both lying cowards and troublemakers.

When Joan decided to write a slanderous book, she opened herself up to full disclosure of both her book and her personality. that’s the way Freedom of Speech works Russ. If Joan has the Freedom of Speech to say what she wants about me, then surely, I have the same Freedome of Speech to say what I want about her. The only difference is: Joan tells lies. I speak the truth. Apparently, Big Russ couldn’t handle the truth and ran away. Ain’t nobody missing him!

comment by Michelle Herr Rupert (to this blog post)
Russ better hope I never find him, He has NO RIGHT to sign my dead father’s name or bad mouth my family in any way! Michael Herr was my father and I Loved him very much! He might of had his faults but so does everyone, That doesn’t make him a bad man or too have his name forged! Ruth thank you for sharing this.

Bellowing the Truth – We Sippel Sisters are damn good at it! June 30, 2011

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by Ruth Sippel Pace

Bellowing the Truth

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the accomplice of liars and forgers.” — Charles Peguy

On the Adult Adoptees Advocating for Change discussion forum is a member who calls herself Daizy. The above quotation by Charles Pequy is Daizy’s “signature,” which gets added to the bottom of every one of her posts.

Now I can’t be 100% sure that this Daizy is the Daisy who left that recent stupid comment here on this blog, daring to lecture me and my sisters about this blog. Daisy says that we should just chalk Joan’s LIES up to being Joan’s “opinion,” and ignore her.

No Way! We Sippel Sisters are BELLOWING the truth!

Now if Daizy on the forum and Daisy who left the comment here are the same, she’s got a lot of dam nerve to come here and condemn us for bellowing the truth of OUR LIVES after Joan has LIED about them. Even if Daisy is not Daizy – she still has a lot of nerve telling me that I can’t tell the truth about MY life. Why can’t I Daisy? If Joan can tell a lie about me, I don’t have the right to tell the truth about me? It don’t work that way – and neither Joan nor Daisy is the boss of me.

But I’ve noticed something about Joan and the other adoptees, they want the TRUTH exposed about their birth certificates, their birth families, the circumstances of their conception, their relinquishment to adoption, they DEMAND the truth! However, I see that they only want TRUTH exposed when it suits them. They don’t want anyone else to tell the truth. Sorry guys, just because you got shafted, doesn’t give you the right to turn around and shaft somebody else. Because when you do that – you’re just as bad as the ones who shafted you. You don’t have the right to run roughshod over anybody else in this world – and if you do – be prepared for the consequences of your actions. This blog is the consequence of an adoptee’s action –  because   Joan Wheeler, decided that  SHE got shafted when she was adopted, she would now shove the shaft through her birth sisters. No way baby!

This whole blog has been condemned by the adoptees! Why? Because we dare to tell the truth about something we know very well about – our own dam lives! But it’s okay for Joan to tell LIES about our lives? Hey – adoptees – I’m talking to YOU guys – why is it okay in your (ahem) book for Joan Wheeler to tell lies, but it’s NOT okay for US to tell the truth?? Not that I give a dam about you guys – I don’t NEED your permission to write about MY own life!

This blog is about us sisters standing up to a lying bully – and shedding light on her lies and misdeeds. And if Joan or anyone else don’t like that – well that’s just too dam bad.

We Sippel Sisters are BELLOWING OUR TRUTH.

1. Gert McQueen – June 30, 2011
To paraphrase Jack Nicholson’s character in the movie “A Few Good Men”…
‘you want the truth?…you CAN’T handle the truth! because it scares you to KNOW the truth…

Mahatma Gandhi said:

Your beliefs become your thoughts,
Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.

A ancient Anglo-Teutonic wisdom says:

You are your Deeds, the only thing that will remain,
when you die, is your reputation.

think about it!

That is why we sisters tell the truth!

How to get your message out…not! Joan Wheeler really needs to rein in her anger! December 9, 2010

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by Gert McQueen
There are, on the adult adoptee forum, many people who are very active in ‘going after’ any one who adopts. Joan befriended Mara somewhere and was invited to go over to this forum and these people feed off each other’s hate, anger, self-pity and are very hostile to the world of adoption. So be it, you are the company you keep. Joan herself in her book, told about her beginnings in the ‘movement’ and how ‘militant’ she was. I know because she was hostile and militant to me and my husband when we were ‘adopting’ my son. It was her militant hostile angry attitudes that caused her to interfer in my family’s business and cause us serious problems. I have written about it here already. Joan also states in her book that she moved away from those militant ways…but as I continued to read on in the book I found that she really never did. The point is that Joan’s basic angry hostile nature draws the same to her and she can’t help herself. She really ought to try a different approach because Joan doesn’t have the stomach for the real fight, but she doesn’t know it, yet.
 
In my efforts in refuting the lies that Joan continues to state, I prepared a statement, which follows, and which is what I placed on a recent comment line regarding an adoption issue, in which Joan lied about my family. What actually prompted me in commenting was Joan’s own words about what she did…to the author of an article. Her words are following my statement here.
 
Readers here, on our blog, can make up their own minds as to whether Joan is using good judgement or if she has learned anything at all in how to ‘get her agenda’ out there. Joan not only uses people, as we have been pointing out, but Joan CAN BE used by others, because she is weak by nature.
 
here’s my statement and what prompted me to post it:
My name is Gert Mcqueen I’m a birth sister to halforphan 56 Joan Wheeler, who wrote the book, Forbidden Family. Two other sisters and myself have a blog wherein we are refuting this book @ ruthsippelpace.wordpress.com    Our purpose behind our blog is truth telling. You may also want to check out our review of the book on Amazon.com
 
Her book is billed as a true story and a help for adoption reform, it is no such thing. The truth is that the book is an extremely long painful account of the author’s own perceptions of her reality where in she fabricates, exaggerates and boldly lies about people and events. She describes her own character flaws presenting them as reasons for why she believes she has been traumatized by adoption and in that process doesn’t realize the harm she has done to herself. She portrays both the birth and adoptive families is very negative ways and claims to be harassed by us birth sisters. She does not tell of her own negative actions towards the birth sisters or many other people.
 
There is very little in the book that could possible be of help to the adoption reform movement or for anyone interested in any aspect of adoption, period. It is purely a opportunity and venue for the author to vent her extreme angry at the very fact that she had been adopted and she hates everyone. The author is not truly interested in helping people, she wants people to purchase the book. She has spend over 35 years writing about her inner projection of her life, instead of living a genuine life.
 
The reason for my posting this statement here is to invite all interested in a balanced story to come to our blog and make up your own mind as to the validness of  her book and purposes behind her activist agenda. My sisters and I are not hiding anything we say or do about refuting her book or other actions she has said or done to us; we put everything we do on our blog for it is a truth-telling blog. It is the birth sisters’ position that the fact of a publication of a book of lies and misrepresentation is an grave dishonor to our parents, ourselves and other members of our family and the adoptive family. 
Please take a look at our blog…and be warned…it is not pretty…for we do tell the truth.
 
So on the adult adoptee forum I read:
 
 
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2010, 09:06:36 PM »
http://www.thedailyreporter.com/communities/coldwater/x556844305/Adoption-Good-bad-news 
 
What kind of a magazine is this, anyway?  His mother owes the world an apology.  I can’t believe anyone would print garbage like this.
 
and then Joan responds:
 
 
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2010, 05:16:06 PM »
 

I blasted him several times. 
 
 
and again Joan responds:
 
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2010, 08:23:46 PM »
 

I just sent Mikey all 5 of my posts! I’ll let you know if he emails back. How much you wanna bet he’s never heard from a real half orphan before? Not one single instance of unmarried parents to complain about, but a hell of alot of lying! Grab the baby and run! Ohh, boy, I am having fun with this one tonight! 
 
 
And Gert asks again….all this helps adoption reform how?
 
And Gert asks again…why does Joan allows herself to be in the company of and be used by hostile angry militant people instead of being around kind loving people who want to do good? Only she knows.
 
Ruth’s note:
First, before anyone blasts us for quoting Joan from a forum, she has done the same thing. She has come to this blog, copied and pasted stuff from here, and put it (out of context) on The Adult Adoptee forum. And as the Puppet Master she is, she used my words to garner sympathy from the members there. Then further instructed them in February 2010 and again in May 2010 to come to this blog and harass us. She instructed them to complain “en masse” to  WordPress to have this blog shut down. (but whines on her cyberbullying page that WE are responsible for shutting down her 2 previous blogs, which we did not). THEN she instructs the puppets to visit the page, NOT from their forum, but from various sites. These sites like ebonito.com, and various loan blogs, a “beautiful woman” blog, tv episode viewing sites. lol. BUT Joan whines and accuses me of using different wireless networks to view her blog. Puppet Master and the Puppets can slueth and disguse themselves, but get don’t want anyone else  to slueth and disguise themselves!  What lousy hypocrites! And the  Puppets use obscene language on forums, show their anger, yet condemn me when I show anger at the crap that Joan is pulling. Again, they are lousy hypocrites, useless little Puppets, with no brains.
But Puppet Master Joan and The Puppets have an excuse – they were ADOPTED! And they are ANGRY Adoptees. Oh my! So that give them the right to trample on other people? To hurt other people? Because THEY were hurt when they were kids? They demand their Constitutional Rights, but want to deny others their constitutional rights! That’s right – THEY can go to any internet forum and spew their anti-adoption stuff, but when someone visits the same forum – oh no! That’s not allowed! WHY?   ~~~~ I got news for you angry adoptees – I don’t care if you are angry – I GOT THE SAME RIGHTS AS YOU DO! And I’m an ANGRY BIRTH SIBLING who is ANGRY because of the lousy disgusting treatment I have suffered at the hands of Joan Wheeler!  ~~~ Go ahead, do those adoption reforms you want so much – BUT DON’T DO IT BY DISRESPECTING ME OR MY FAMILY!
But getting back to what Gert is saying – that Joan should surround herself with loving people – instead of wallowing in the misery and anger that is her life and the lives of th Puppets.
Well, she WAS surrounded by loving people! but she blew it! Even loving people do not like getting preached at, told they are raising their kids wrong, have items and money stolen from them, lied to, used, falsely accused of things, having false police reports filed on them, having a stranger, a “professional” college professor write them a letter and tell them HOW to live their life (at the request of Joan), having their domestic partner receive letters urging them to break  up with them, receiving a harassing letter – falsely saying that their domestic partner got the next-door neighbor pregnant – yes, all these things are things that Joan did to her birth sisters, all 3 of us – who loved her, who TRIED to continue to love her, but in the end, had their love destroyed by Joan herself.
Because we Sippel Sisters are no fools. We TRIED to love Joan. Joan KILLED our love for her. So now Joan has her puppets, who act just like her. If they act on their own, that is, without prompting by Joan, and doing what she orders them to do. But Gert is right – Joan is weak minded. She not only leads other weak-minded fools around, but also is led by them.
 
“Who’s the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows?” — Obi Wan Kenobi
1. gert – December 9, 2010
Okay here’s another espisode of nonsense from Joan who doesn’t get it that it’s not about stalking, it about honesty and telling the truth. If someone is talking trash and lies about me and my family you better damn well know I’ll be watching and reporting about it. You don’t like it, then shut up.

The newest from Joan…
Re: The Daily Reporter Spews Adoption Kool-Aid, Comments Needed
« Reply #34 on: Today at 02:20:44 PM »

Thanks, K, for seeing that they are, indeed, stalking again. They’ve stalked me my entgire life: during my childhood by asking an aunt wehre i lived, and then calling me on the phone when I was 18. Sure, I get it. They were looiking for their missing sister. My point has always been we should never have been separated in the first place. That separation has caused us all great pain. Finding me caused me and my adoptive parents great pain. It is even now very diffficult for me to carry on with the task of enjoying adoption reform with the three of them pestering and stalking around they do.

Your support — folks who are adoptees and supporters on this forum — mean the world to me. Thank you for your udnerstand ing in seeing that i am trying to escape their petty nonsense. do you see that they are causing the trouble? Calling me a HO even! Shit, I just wish they’d crawl back into the whole they came from. They are dysfunctional, mean-spirited and sad. And they read our board and follow what we do just to keep track of me to keep me “in line”.

I’m sorry all of you must be sunject to their BS.
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From Gert,

Sorry Joan you still don’t get it do you? Can’t you think straight?

Number one HO is short for half orphan…isn’t that what you call yourself?

Number two, it’s not about keeping you ‘in line’, it’s about keeping you honest! You could easily escape by telling the truth or answer to all the dirty deeds you have done to us and to all the lies you wrote about. Get off your sorry story! No one is stalking you, we never did, we are not now. Have you not read the posts, on this blog, about what I think about your cyberbullying and stalking nonsense? Get real.

Stop lying…I did NOT know where you lived, let alone your name until you were 18 years old…that’s legal age, deal with it and stop using it as a pity issue. Pain! accept it and deal with it already! Everyone else has why can’t you? Because you are a victim you like to be a victim and you can’t stand it when someone calls you on it…you are a weak minded person.

And when are you going to grow up and take responsibility for your own dirty deeds against others, like myself? You had nothing to do with causing me and my family any pain? You never hurt me, Ruth, Kathy or anyone else? You are so innocent! You can’t stand it that we will not go away from telling about your lies. We will continue to refut every word you say that is not the truth, be in in that book of lies, or elsewhere. Get use to it, because we are not going away. Deal with it

2. Ruth – December 9, 2010
Joan says to her puppets: I’m sorry all of you must be sunject to their BS.
Well, just WHO is subjecting them to our “BS?” it is JOAN! What the hell is the matter with her?
As for stalking her her entire life? My god! I was THREE YEARS OLD – HOW THE HELL DOES A TODDLER STALK SOMEONE?
As for Joan’s pyschobabble about our “separation anxiety? (being separated from HER – who the hell does she think she is? My deity?
Joan, you just showed EVERYONE what an asshole you are – you go on forums pretending to be a psychologist and talk psychobabble about MY brain, yet condemn me for what you diagnose me with!!!!
Get this straight once and for all: I DID NOT SPEND EVERY WAKING MOMENT OF MY CHILDHOOD AND ADULTHOOD MISSING YOU!
Yes, I missed you to a degree, and yes, when you were about 16 (NOT your f’ing entire life) was when Gert got your last name from Aunt Catherine. THAT’S ALL WE DID! Just before you turned 18, it was ME who called on the phone to Wheelers in the phone book and discovered you. THEN Gert called you. IT WAS NOT YOUR ENTIRE LIFE SO STOP YOUR F’ING LYING!
Do you people see how Joan exagerates everything?
And how she contradicts herself from one forum to another and what she writes on her own website and in her own book?
My go people are you that blind and stupid? In her book, she says she was indeed a teen when we siblings found her. On her byberbullying page in October 2010, she says she was TEN YEARS OLD. NOW, it’s her ENTIRE LIFE!
Are you that f’ing stupid Joan? And you friends of hers – do you not see this? Are you as stupid as her?
And if she is reading what WE write, then SHE is stalking us!!!!

And do you see us writing about her on forums when she sticks to her adoption work? NO! The only time we sisters speak out is when Joan talks about us on internet forums and LIES about us.
Joan has no business writing about us – we were children – had NOTHING TO DO WITH HER ADOPTION!
SO SHUT UP ABOUT US JOAN AND YOU WON’T HAVE TO SUBJECT YOUR PUPPETS TO US.
simple and easy as that.

3. Ruth – December 9, 2010
I did not call you a HO- I was using YOUR initials of HalfOrphan -H.O. because at first I didn’t see that you did indeed use your real name. I was trying to save myself typing.
shut up. There was a famous Hawaiian singer called Don Ho.
god Joan, you are such a simpleton.
NOW I’m calling you a name.

4. Gert – December 9, 2010
some else on the forum just said to Joan about us:

“Don’t these idiots realize that when they go on public comment boards and give the title and details of your book that they are *publicizing* it for you?”

Gert says, oh indeed we do realize that and we are not worrying…why you ask? Because any thinking person out there will take a look at both blogs, Joan’s and ours and make up there minds BEFORE they spend anywhere between $40 and $50 for a book of lies. We also realize that we are putting in a plug for our web site that has all the evidence against Joan…well not all of it YET, but it will be there!

Joan’s book is garbage, but hey don’t take my word for it, go ahead and spend $50 and see what you get
It is over 600 pages of angry rants. I’m currently working on chapter 38 which says it’s about evidence to prove her case…without the book in front of me…that chapter is about 84 pages long, 17 pages of documents, 62 pages of rants against every person and event that she could think of to rant about and then 5 pages of ‘possible’ adoption reform material. But, don’t take my word for it, go and spend your $50 and buy the dam book and then come and talk to me.

Now on the other hand, Joan is crying again that we nasty sisters are after her…then why does she have OUR WEB SITE ADVERTISED ON HER BLOG?

Can Joan’s friends answer that question? Why does Joan hide it on her web page…look under ‘about the book’ and there you will find the plug for us and our blog…Joan CAN’T HELP HERSELF.

without us sisters Joan DOESN’T have a case, she doesn’t have anyone to continue to blame for her miserable life that she and only she created.

That is our MESSAGE…we are truth tellers. Joan is a liar and a weak person.

5. Ruth – December 9, 2010
On her cyberbullying page Joan wrote the following in October 2010:

“It is unfortunate that serious adoption reformers and the general public who want to learn a new perspective must be subject to the content of this Blog.”
then says further “go to my sister’s blogs” Then she gives their titles and web addresses.

Then whines that WE are subjecting people to our blog! WTF?
Joan is advertising our blog.Joan is directing people to our blog! Joan is “subjecting” people to our blog. roflmao at her ignorance.

6. gert – December 10, 2010
In my comment above I quote this from someone speaking to Joan:

“Don’t these idiots realize that when they go on public comment boards and give the title and details of your book that they are *publicizing* it for you?”

Gert speaking now:
It would really be NICE if people would read and understand BEFORE they open up their mouths.

It was Joan HERSELF who placed the title of her book on that public comment board before I did.

Joan’s friends should not think that we sisters are wrong just because we oppose Joan’s book and her lying of us. We have had a lifetime of knowing Joan being abused by her and hearing her lies. It was Joan herself that made this whole business PUBLIC by publishing a book of lies for the purpose of exposing and exploiting two families.

I would like to know if any, of Joan’s friends on the adult adoptee forum including the puppets, have spent the $40 to $50 for the book and who have actually read it,and I do mean every page of it?

If you have not read the book, or if you are not in the book, then you are NOT QUALIFIED to say anything about what we sisters have to say, period.

And if you have read the book, I challedge you to show me something, anything, in that book where Joan is RIGHT and we are WRONG!

Joan won’t answer our accussations that she lies, how about her puppets, or her friends? Any takers?

Guess not! I’m waiting!!
 7. Ruth – December 10, 2010
And I may add:
That it was JOAN herself who in September 2008, out of the clear blue sky – who went on the internet with a warning to “The Three Sippel Sisters.” Even though myself had been on the internet since the year 2000, with no contact with Joan, until 2004 when I started a Family Photo site, and Joan threw a hissy fit when I corrected the date of a picture that she had scanned – a picture that was from GERT’s childhood, NOT Joan’s – and because she NEVER cares to get the FACTS of OUR childhood correct, had the wrong date on it. I booted her off the site – and had no further contact with her – THEN in October 2009 – it was JOAN again, who used the internet as a tool against us. Gert had been on the internet since the 90′s, and there was NO problem.
As I said, I had been on the internet since 2000 with only that one problem. And Kathy, was BRAND NEW to the internet as of October 2009.
So why was there the need to WARN us in Sept. 2008, AND Joan attacked our religious paths. (bigot).
JOAN also first mentioned our names, partial addresses and named my employer on her website – what does where I work have to do with adoption reform?
But you people have blinders on. You seem to think that if one is adopted, there is no wrong doing on that person’s part.
YOU people do not know Joan in person. WE do. YOU people have not seen her in action. WE have.
But the evidence is right here – but you refuse to take a look. JOAN lies in her book and says on her website that I have been placed on probation. I have provided the actual court document that PROVES she is a liar. If you idiots ignore that fact – and take Joan Wheeler’s word as gospel truth – well, all I can say is what I’ve said before: YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS AND HAVE SAWDUST FOR BRAINS. AND YOU ARE WORTHLESS HUMANS

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